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On May 8, 2024, I was privileged to be the guest on the podcast Stories that Empower. My story was about (a) my path toward discovering a natural afterlife and the theory of a natural eternal conaciousness (NEC), which makes the afterlife possible, and (b) the difficulty of publizing my orthodox-shattering discovery as academic journal articles and a book. The moral of my story is: don’t give up when you believe you have a great and worthwhile idea. I also briefly explain the natural afterlife and the NEC theory.

The podcast was released on March 1, 2025 and is only about twenty minutes in length.  Click here to hear it..